Here's an ad from EDF's campaign, launched in partnership with the United Steelworkers union and the Blue Green alliance, a group of enviromental groups and unions.
Think of this ad, and the one below, as the "Harry and Louise" ads of the campaign to pass global warming legislation. You remember Harry and Louise, right? They were the couple who turned a devilishly complicated issue, health care reform, into a soundbite ("If we let the government choose, we lose") and helped kill the 1994 Clinton health plan. These ads take what may be an even more devilishly complicated issue, climate change regulation, and use images of brawny construction workers to turn it into an even shorter soundbite: "Green jobs." Take a look at this spot from The Blue Green Alliance:
Maybe I missed it, but did you hear an environmental message in either of those ads?
Of course, there's research to support the claims about green jobs. In the interests of full disclosure, I need to say here that I've been doing some freelance work for EDF and NRDC -- organizations I admire a great deal. But these claims about green jobs deserve greater scrutiny.
Last June, for example, the Blue Green Alliance, Sierra Club, NRDC and the steelworkers issued a green jobs report from the Political Economy Research Institute (PERI) at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. It said:
"…millions of U.S. workers -- across a wide range of familiar occupations, states, and income and skill levels -- will benefit from the project of defeating global warming and transforming the United States into a green economy."A second report from PERI, issued last September under the auspices of the Center for American Progress, got more granular. In my home state of Maryland, for example, the authors project that a $100 billion green economic recovery program would create 36,739 jobs. They would be created in such industries as building retrofitting, mass transit and freight rail, smart grid, wind power, solar power and advanced biofuels.
It sounds great, doesn't it?
Not according to the four lawyers and economists who produced "7 Myths About Green Jobs," a 97-page report published by the University of Illinois College of Law. They argue that "the green jobs literature is rife with internal contradictions, vague terminology, dubious science, and ignorance of basic economic principles."
Studies by conservative think tanks go further, claiming that climate legislation will destroy millions of jobs. A 2008 Heritage Foundation study claimed that passage of last year's Lieberman-Warner bill would create "extraordinary perils for the American economy" and cause annual job losses of between 500,000 and 1,000,000 after a few years of job gains. (This report was pretty thoroughly discredited by NRDC.)
The best thing I've read about this debate (and one of the most balanced) is this fine Slate article by Eric Pooley, my former editor at FORTUNE, who finds that there's an emerging economic consensus that the costs of dealing with climate change are significant but manageable -- and that given the risks, those costs are likely worth paying.
My point here is not that economists disagree. My point is that the climate change debate shouldn't be about green jobs.
It's intellectually dishonest to pretend that we can forecast, with any degree of accuracy, the impact of a complicated government policy on a dynamic global economy decades into the future. Both sides know that their projections are based on a host of assumptions which may or may not come true.
What if we decide as a nation to turn to nuclear energy as a source of low-carbon power? That probably won't create many long-term jobs. What if there's a breakthrough in the solar PV business in China? That may not bring green jobs here. Are farmers who grow corn for ethanol doing green jobs? That hasn't turned out so well.
Let's get real: We can't predict oil prices 12 months out. Last spring, virtually no one anticipated the global financial crisis of last fall. And we are projecting the number of green jobs that will be created or lost on a state-by-state basis by a law that won’t take effect until 2012? Who are we kidding?
I called Russ Roberts, an economist at George Mason University who hosts the fine EconTalk podcast, for some guidance on how to think about green jobs and the economics of climate regulation. "Creating green jobs is easy," he told me. "We could employ millions of people picking up litter, and we could make them very good-paying jobs if we want. But of course that would make us poorer as a nation. There’s a cost to providing those jobs that would have to be borne by other people in the economy."
It's not just the cost of higher taxes that needs to be factored into the equation, he noted. To the degree that the government makes policy that favors, say, vast construction of wind turbines throughout the upper Midwest, the people doing those jobs will be drawn from somewhere else, maybe even from more productive work. If policy leads to the hiring of thousands of contractors to do energy efficiency, the cost of building a new home or renovating your basement may go up because many of the good construction workers are busy.
"As voters and citizens and readers, what we want to think about is the big picture -- are we moving in the right direction when it comes to environmental policy?" Roberts says. Put another way, are we spending enough money today to head off the threat of global warming in the future? Because if anyone tells you that we can deal with climate change at no cost, they probably shouldn’t be trusted.
Maybe that's what bothers me about the green jobs ads. They're like political campaign ads. They promise something for nothing. They treat the voters like children. They're emotional and not educational. And they're not helping to build a movement around climate change.
Other than that, they're fine.
And I do hope they work.
Ironworker image CC licensed by Flickr user Paul Keleher.













Definition of "Green"
Proud liberals and socialists for a colorblind America.
The icing on the cake for green jobs is more the fooled ones who think they saved the planet. Take the 5% CO2 we added to the atmosphere. Add the 95% that should be there anyway. Multiply the sum by 20.
The result would give you the CO2 levels in the atmosphere when we had an ICE AGE for crying out loud!
in the end, it's simple
The US imports around $ 800 B worth of energy (mostly "oil" = fancy carbon) annually.
This is just wealth leaving our country and eating it away like a cancer.
If we can say cut this in half, we save $ 400 B annually.
Needless to say, this needs new technology and investments. Assuming all these are being spent in the US, at a clip of $ 400 B annually (most say this is not needed, too high), the net effect financially is the same, but the money is being kept in the US, not exported.
Yes, initial "seed funding", upfront investment will be needed to get the process going.
After some time, say 10 years, we have an energy infrastructure that is unique in the world, makes us independent of imported energy, and allows us to be competitive again, creating ever more jobs, for decades to come.
The fact that we saved the planet is icing on the cake......
It is pretty simple!
Jobs gained then lost are part of the system of things
It is a well known fact that jobs are created initially when construction begins and fall away after the maintenance crews begin their work. There is only one way to keep a growing capitalist economy in place and that is with innovation, upgrading, and plowing new ground.
To continue any capitalist society we need to consume energy and resources. The key word here is "consume". On the flip side, all we need to do to maintain a social society is to maintain the essential ingredients to support life. Everything else is icing on the cake.
When the resources are gone, they're gone. The down side of technology is that innovation increases efficiency and reduces cost associated with construction and maintenance.
We have to chose if we want to continue down the road of consumerism and it's ultimate exhaustion of our resources and continued introduction into the environment of waste products or move upward towards a more socially, maintainable, structure of living together.
Yes, green creates jobs but it won't continue to increase the growth in the number of jobs, but, that's just the way things roll in the real world.
The oil industry operates in the same manner. Once the drilling rigs are built to find the oil, the need of those rigs decreases as oil is found. Jobs associated with that industry decrease.
When the oil runs out and we don't have an energy production infrastructure in place, There won't be any jobs anymore. We can forget about capitalism or socialism, we will be living in harmony with nature as our former primitive ancestors.
The other side of the green initiative, distortion campaign are those who want to continue to pursue the current energy production strategy until it is exhausted, without any regard for the future of our society.
We have to be multitasking on the issues of pursuing a green energy production infrastructure, while maintaining our present energy production structure. The old will give way to the new, in due time but we must make the decision to move in that direction.
We must feed and care for those who are misplaced by the change in our energy focus and that is a job for government, not Engineers. Maybe we need a congress full of firemen instead of the deadbeats we currently have. Firemen get the job done.
Look at it another way
Whether or not the changes create more jobs, I think there's a significant benefit to the green economy. It's creating real stuff - like windmills, electric grids, solar panels, new buildings. One of the sources of our current economic problems was that the "value" that was created was not "real" - in the concrete sense of, well, concrete.
(Of course, a problem with cap-and-trade is that it creates a lot of non-real work. It's mostly accounting and trading - with all the options for leverage and other dangerous financial shenanigans.)
Flawed Argument
Your argument is flawed.
Proponents of climate change legislation advertise the point that compliance with the new regulations will create new jobs.
Your argument is that this position is "intellectually dishonest" because other (traditional) jobs will be lost due to the higher costs companies will face in having to comply with the legislation.
However, you are guilty of the same sin that you complain about. You have no data suggesting how many jobs will be lost, in comparison to the number of jobs created.
All disruptive technologies, and business paradigm shifts, come with some jobs loss. This effect is unfortunate for a few, but not always a detriment in the grand scheme.
For example, the internet essentially put the newspaper industry out of business. Many jobs lost. Would you, by that fact, say the internet did not create jobs? Would you say the business world, as a whole, is not functioning better now because of the internet? Probably not.
If you are going to say that the same is not true for climate change legislation, please bring the data to support your position.
-Brandon Conard ( BlueMap Inc.)
Green Jobs: Not Just Economic Projections
Marc, EDF's executive director, David Yarnold, has replied to your post on Climate411. You can find it here - http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2009/04/17/green-jobs-not-just-economic-...
Anyone see Mellencamps "Green Camp" music video on Green Jobs?
Lori Lake here at GreenTV.
Check out the home page of GreenTV with the new John Mellencamps Green Jobs music video featured.
Please let me know what you think of it.
Lori Lake
President: GreenTV
http://www.greentv.com/
Spy in the house of love
Your headline betrays you. It's hardly careless. It follows the dirty energy memos to a t. Phony? Why not Uncertain? Dragging out Harry and Louise? Not comparable in the least in intent or coommunications strategy. Wonderfully idle speculation that postures as "balanced" and incisive but equates two wholly difference sets of research, one fairly reputable and hopeful — the clean energy economy is a myth? — one clearly designed to derail green jobs and underwritten by by dirty energy. You are either a sycophant or another duped writer. Given your professional chops, I doubt the latter. Good infiltration.
Where are the green jobs ? and can I get one?
It seems the debate about green jobs is focused on "jobs" rather than "green". According to Lucy Blake of the Apollo Alliance; which is helping to transition the economy from fossil fuels to renewable energy: “A green-collar job is, in essence, a blue-collar job that has been upgraded to address the environmental challenges of our country”.
The emphasis is also on Green Energy jobs(wind power,solar panels) while there is a number of companies working on making products from recycled materials, developing supply-chain software to better manage resources and working towards sustainable development. What about Green IT jobs and the old Reduce Reuse Recycle principles.