The law requiring the labels goes into effect at the start of next year for all 2009 model cars, though its expected the labels will be popping up on cars in the coming months.
The labeling law forces cars for sale to display a global warming score, on a scale of one to 10, which is based on how vehicles in the same model year compare to one another. The higher the score, the cleaner a car is. The score takes into account emissions related to production of fuel for each vehicle as well as the direct emissions from vehicles.
The score will be displayed next to the already-required smog score, which also rates cars one to 10 for how many smog-forming emissions they emit. For both scores, an average vehicle will have a score of five.
California is the first state of pass such as law, and a similar law will take effect in New York for 2010 model year vehicles. Global warming scores will be included on the state's DriveClean website.
While this law is intended to help consumers take into account emissions while purchasing cars, a proposed law in the European Union would require E.U. public sector bodies put a price on emissions.
A law endorsed by the European Parliament's Committee on Environment, Public Health and Food Safety would make governments put a monetary cost on the emissions of vehicles they plan to purchase, and add that to expense calculations. The law would exclude certain types of vehicles, such as ambulances and fire trucks.












Rip Off the Public Again
The problem isn't politicians getting ready to set up a carbon use tax or implementing un-necessary and ridiculous Global Warming Scores. The problem is a public too lazy to write, call, email, fax their state and federal representatives (representative is a misnomer since they dont really represent you but themselves as they bow to pressure put on by special interest groups and try to keep themselves in office). Get up off you ass, find out who your representatives are, get their phone numbers, fax numbers, email addresses, mailing addresses. Write those numbers down and put them by your PC. EVERY time you hear of an issue that your congressman is more likely to represent himself or a special interest group (and not you), contact him via at least TWO of the above avenues. Get smart, get active, and if you are ignored, vote for someone else next time.
everyone who doesn't understand global warming
everyone who doesn't understand what global warming is and how we are causing it needs to get their head checked... how can you not see it? do you even have half of an imagination?... what is WRONG with you? what the hell is wrong with you?... are you some 12 year old just posting comments .. really I would love to know you, just see you people. Real mental giants you all are. you people know nothing of science, so stop talking and listen up. Dynamical systems theory , thermodynamics, LIFE, entropy. You know you don't know, stop pretending and listen to the real intellects. Embrace the future. We will survive. 20 years from now you will be exhausted by how little you know and by how wrong you were.
Global warming score?????
These idiots can't do anything about the deficit, so hey, pass another feel-good law that won't accomplish jack sh**. I already drive a Honda Accord with a PZEV engine and love it (bought it because of the 150,000 mi. warranty). But I don't want to be "guilted" into anything. Plus, global warming and global cooling ("climate change") have been going on in cycles ever since the world began. Millenia ago the earth was much warmer than it is now; slightly over 100 years ago it was cooler (it's called the "Little Ice Age"...look it up). Mankind is not destroying the earth through global warming. However, brain washing is now in effect world-wide trying to convince us all that WE are responsible. It's nothing but a money-making scheme headed by Al "Do as I say, not as I do" Gore and his minions.
Global Warming Car Stickers
You can be there will plenty of loopholes for politicians, celebrities, and the wealthy.
California dreamin'
all the leaves are brown (all the leaves are brown) and the sky is grey (and the sky is grey) i've been for a walk (i've been for a walk) on a winter's day (on a winter's day) i'd be safe and warm (i'd be safe and warm) if i was in l.a. (if i was in l.a.) california dreaming (california dreaming) on such a winter's day...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wI6uAOHzvo
What do ya'll put in the
What do ya'll put in the water out there? Loonies! The sky is falling run!
News story from the future...
Dateline July 7th, 2058
Today I found an old printout (remember those?) of an article that originated 50 years ago today. It was about another new response to the Global Warming scare that had been growing at that time for the last few years, after being kicked off by a former Presidential candidate eager to keep his name in the limelight (and to make a bizillion dollars to boot.) The July 7, 2008 story reported that California lawmakers had decided that it would be good to apply a sticker to all new cars (means for getting from one point to another) indicating the vehicle's “Global Warming Score”. The article was a little vague about what, exactly the score was supposed to accomplish in real terms, but it appeared that the buyers would be able to use that score as a way of determining whether a given model was more or less efficient in the planet-saving sciences that were such a politically correct issue in those days. Of course, this was before folks finally realized that New York city was not going to be submerged in Glacial melt after all, and that natural forces (such as the HALF-MILLION acres of California trees that were burning in a sister story on that same news-day) were such a huge force that mankind had essentially nothing to do with overall client change.
I'm sure you remember in your early science classes that Earth's climate was in one of many cycles that have, and will continue to occur on a living, breathing planet. That was poorly understood at that time by most lay-people because they were being actively misled by politicians who wanted dependent and scared voters, and by scientists who were more interested in their next grant than the pursuit of real science. Just think of all the rules and regulations that evolved into the economy-killing full-scale depression of 2013, and that took decades to rescind once it became evident that the Sun's output and other natural forces are not static, but continually changing. Seems like I remember that during that same 2008 time period, observable evidence that Mar's frozen ice-caps were decreasing in size was widely ignored by the media, but that (I believe it was the same year!) it WAS being reported that all the ice at the Earth's North Pole was going to melt that summer! Yes, it seems ridiculous to everyone now, but hindsight is 20-20, huh?
-- Steve Henderson, reporting from the high and dry New York City... July 7th, 2058
California and global warming.
Hey if they keep going in the same direction that they have been going by "leading" the nation in green ideas, the whole state may end burned up completely by the time the DNC rolls around.
Go GREEN or in the case of California go "charcoil black".
Score This You Green Morons
I suggest posting a sticker of the Bikers Salute to all who actually believe Global warming is "real". This is ridiculous and just adds to the tremendous amount of money that will be spent on the biggest fraud and hoax in the history of man. Thanks to the Chicken Little Society and the Sky Is Falling Club, and an honorable mention to the Flat Earth Fraternity.
Score This You Green Morons
I suggest posting a sticker of the Bikers Salute to all who actually believe Global warming is "real". This is ridiculous and just adds to the tremendous amount of money that will be spent on the biggest fraud and hoax in the history of man. Thanks to the Chicken Little Society and the Sky Is Falling Club, and an honorable mention to the Flat Earth Fraternity.
Only going half way
If the all-knowing government of California really wanted to make the point of the toll vehicles are taking on the environment, they would also include the damage to the environment done for making the materials the car is made from; ie steel, plastic, lead for the batteries, etc.
Lazy lawmakers only going half-way. Let's really get ridiculous...
--->Joe
Defy the law
Captain Planet and his religious earth lunatics strike again. "Global Warming" is fast becoming the "Global Cooling" scare of the 70's. Truth is, there is no anthropogenic global warming... it is a faith-based religious fairy tale. Californians, this is Red Dawn happening in your backyard. Either perish from this socialist plot or fight like the Wolverines!
Weight good idea
i think they should also take into account the weight of the fat lard ass buying the car
i mean after all if they are buying a honda civic and weight 400 pounds . you can basically shoot any good mileage right out the door >LOL. cars dont give poor mileage, people do..
Global Varming Schore
I wonder what the score would be if they included the energy to create and destroy the vehicle. As I understand it, the Prius score would be half that of a Hummer. These green nazi's want to turn cars into cigarettes. Just another enviro-scam to ignore. I think its funny, all these "rules" are driving the California economy into the ground and the greenies think it is helping. When gas goes to $13 a gallon and the state falls behind Darfur in economic activity, Capt. Planet (Al Goar) will blame the oil companys. Good luck all!
Defy the Law
Captain Planet and his religious earth lunatics strike again. "Glabal Warming" is fast becoming the "Global Cooling" scare of the 70's. Truth is, there is no anthropogenic global warming... it is a faith-based religious fairy tale. Californians, this is Red Dawn happening in your backyard. Either perish from this socialist plot or fight like the Wolverines!
This sticker will..
This sticker will accomplish nothing.
oh brother
ok I have seen this new age religion go over board .. every time this or that is to blame long and behold it wasn't... few examples rain forest the mathematics on the rate it was being destroyed if you sat down worked it out the rain forest was gone 40yrs ago.. the north pole ice is melted because of green house grasses.. come to find out there are underwater volcanoes that have been active that has heated the waters... R-12 is destroying the ozone 134-a replaced it that is far more dangerous then the r 12 that breaks down over a short time.. 134-a is heavy and sinks into the ground supply .. funny Dupont was behind that push but they where about to be out the copy right for r 12 134-a they have the only copy right to it.. for x yrs to come.. dont get me wrong am all for doing the right thing but not for drama and BS that has been spewed out and all has been proved wrong... not by the ones that are against it but the very people that said it from the start.. oops we left out this and that but doesnt matter.. truth does matter ....
California
is already broke, so lets put even a bigger burden on the people. TAX
California sucks
Can this state be any more badly run? Can the politicians running this state be any more incompetent? It is embarrassing that with the budget mess in this state our politicians are worried about this stupid idea, which is based pseudo-scientific dogma.
Hey I have an Idea. How
Hey I have an Idea.
How about putting a carbon footprint on government?
Next up is you
Yes, after cars the next step in global warming will be a tax sticker stuck to your forehead. On an annual basis you will need to weight in, flatulate into a gas analyzer, hop on a tread mill and register your carbon dioxide emissions. Your cholesterol will be measured to figure out how much meat you eat(fast food) and your supermarket club card analyzed for your eating habits. All of this will be fed into a computer to calculate your personal earth impact/global warming score. In California this will be used to off set lost property tax revenue due to the bust in real estate.
They won't tax you for the air you breath but they will tax you on what you emit lol.
Scary actually.
Global Warming B.S.
I would like to eliminate the ability of global warming freaks and gurus to purchase gasoline or anything that is made of oil or oil byproducts. They need to walk their talk and not force their religion on anyone else. Global warming is a hoax for the elitist to take down this great country down one step at a time. I would like to know exactly where all this money supposedly will go for purchase of carbon credits? Al Gores hedge funds, GE, etc??? And then I suppose we need to pay for the carbon credits for the poor. What a flipping rip off scheme and for those idiots that buy this garbage, please actually read something instead repeating the same ole shit that is spoon fed to you. PLEASE!!
Challenge This In Court, California!!
Californians now have a unique opportunity to actually do something about the Global Warming myth.
Please Californians! Challenge this law in the courts.
Global Warming propaganda won't hold up in a court of law, because law requires evidence, not propaganda.
Challenge and you'll win!
There must be some attorney somewhere (without oil industry interests) who is savvy enough to tap into this chance to make a difference.
Go for it!
Liberal Idiots
Stupid liberals readying another tax over another liberal HOAX. Global warming is a giant hoax based on junk science just to rob more people of more money. The CLASSIC liberal play. Give me a big carbon belching gas burning machine just to piss off as many liberal idiots as I can. With any luck, the next big quake will cut off California and set it adrift from the real world. They can have their perverted sex and whine about carbon footprints and tax themselves into prosperity all they want.
Challenge This In Court, California!!
Californians now have a unique opportunity to actually do something about the Global Warming myth.
Please Californians! Challenge this law in the courts.
Global Warming propaganda won't hold up in a court of law, because law requires evidence, not propaganda.
Challenge and you'll win!
There must be some attorney somewhere (without oil industry interests) who is savvy enough to tap into this chance to make a difference.
Go for it!
Feeling Good
What a great plan for in-tune California legislators. This shows their concern for global warming while making their usus play for "feel good" votes. ...If we could only start spending our public money on something that really makes a difference. What a waste!
Global warming hoax
This global warming thing is out of control. What nonsense! I'm old enough to remember the "Global Cooling" scare crap from the 1970's when they said we were heading toward an ice age if we didn't do something. It's a way for gov't to get their grubby hands on everything to control everything and if you buy into this newest hoax, you're a sucker.
Another do-nothing move that will cost us all
This will do nothing but turn into yet another tax on the public. Once the "score" is in place, it will be a simple matter for the politicians to create a tax based on that so-called score.
And anyone that thinks that the money generated from the new tax will go to environmental causes has their head shoved firmly up their own backside. That money will go to pork projects that the tax and spend politicians love to spend money on. The only people that will make out on the deal are the politicians and the handful of pork recipients that don't need it and don't deserve it.
How much global warming will come from stickers?
Has California thought about all the carbon and global warming that will be caused by making these stickers? Think about the ink that needs to be used, the electricity needed by printing presses, the glue on the stickers, and we're just starting! Those people in California are getting crazier by the minute.
Why don't they just succeed already
Dumb f***s. They should just go start their own green little country with no cars, electricity, or modern technology if it means so much to them.
RE: Why Not do Somthing Real?
They already do tax according to weight of the vehicle. You must not have ever registered a car anywhere in the US.
More global warming bull. Al "I invented the internet" Gore got behind this one due to the million he knew he could get if and only if he won the Noble Peace Prize. Well, he has that now, but I ask you how green does he really live?
George Orwell 2008
This is unbelievable! I am telling you right now, that cars will not be the only problem but Human Beings soon will be. Humans will be given stickers and judged according to our carbon foot print (AKA Star of David). We better watch it America. This is the greatest country in the world and one of the cleanest!
Cheeser
Hilarious...
You people are hilarious!!!!!
Obviously, you have NO concept of the market forces that have evolved through centuries of human intellect... And yes, humanity does have a level of intellect... of course NOT as BRILLIANT as the self anointed liberals!
So in a FIT OF BRILLIANCE, you screw it up with your GOVERNMENT REGULATION, the THREAT of the GOVERNMENT GUN (try to NOT pay taxes!) and SOCIAL ENGINEERING!
As a Geologist / Sociologist, I have studied the effects of Universal Cycles and have a pretty good grasp of who is telling the real truth of the 96% cause of Global Temperature Cycles.
It's pretty simple... if we reduce 25% of our 4% emissions... it's a 1% reduction in total contribution... minimal... marginal... ONE volcano and the numbers are skewed... blown out of the water... but then that does not pad wallets does it?
It certainly will not win Oscars or Nobels or close businesses!
There are fools and there are damned fools...
Then there are frickin' IDIOTS!
It's a Religion; Agreed! But also some corrections...
Hi. Yes, I would totally agree that the global warming religion is just that; a religion. Because we're being told to "just believe it," the verdict is in, and it's irrefutable. But that's not true, and there are a lot of scientists willing to do just that; refute it.
But that's not my main point. I'm here to dispel a few very common misunderstandings about the Prius.
"More pollutive to manufacture than a Hummer"
I don't know about that. Sure, there's more copper for power cables and the two motor-generators, as well as the electrical inverter(s). But the little 4 cylinder Atkinson/Miller type engine is much smaller than anything in a Hummer. The absence of a traditional starter and flywheel further reduce the engine weight. There's a whole lot less steel needed for the frame and sheet metal of a Prius.
Most people aren't aware that the Prius has no transmission; it uses a planetary gearset no bigger than the palm of your hand. As a result, there's no need for a clutch or torque converter. So there's a whole lot less metal and oily parts needed there...
Stepping on the brakes causes the larger motor-generator to provide braking resistance, charging the battery and slowing the car at the same time. "Regular" brakes are there for hard stops of course, but with this arrangement, my brake pads and rotors will last much longer than a conventional car.
There are Prius Taxi cabs that have gone farther than 90,000 miles without needing a brake job.
Also, much of the Prius has been made to be recyclable at the end of its life. Yes, including the plasticy dashboard parts and the Nickel metal Hydride (NmH) batteries.
"It takes you xx,000 miles to reach break even"
Oh sure. But that's merely a bit of math. We should each figure out if it works for our own personal situation. I have done the math for myself. I've reached 67,000 miles with my 2004, and I believe I reached my break-even point sometime in 2007. It's a great car, and it's economical, comfortable for adults in the back seat, and I can carry all of my crap in it! It was worth it for me, even before I reached my break-even point.
"The batteries have to be replaced"
First of all, Toyota's warrantee on the Prius hybrid components is for 8 years or 100,000 miles. In California, it's for 150,000 miles. There's NOTHING in a Hummer or any other GM car that is warranteed for that long!
Next, the Prius has been on the road since about 1997.
As far as I know, in the past 10 or more years of US service, there have been only two "Priora" that encountered battery failure. If I recall my reading correctly, both cars' batteries didn't require full replacement. Only a cell or two needed to be replaced (the Prius traction battery is made up of 28 "modules", which can be individually swapped out if one goes bad).
"The batteries are $x,000 to replace"
See the above comment about the individual modules.
Also: The Prius's computer system is designed to maintain the traction battery around a 50% State Of Charge (SOC). Batteries of any type will last longer if they are not subjected to repeated cycles of deep discharge. This is good advice for everybody: Don't run your cell phone or laptop batteries below 30% or 40% SOC. They will last longer, maybe several years longer!
"The batteries will end up in landfills/pollute the environment"
NmH batteries are recyclable. As the current US fleet of Priora age, there will eventually be a "used" market (see the comments about individual modules above). Furthermore, Toyota offers a $200 bounty on used Prius batteries. There's a phone number right on them.
I don't work for Toyota or anything. I just own a 2004 Prius, and as mentioned earlier, with 67,000 miles on the clock. I have never had any problems, and wanted to clear the air of all the bad mythology. And no, I don't believe the global warming priests. I just want to burn less gas and save some cash, which I'm doing, since I've passed my break-even point.
No matter what car you drive, you can increase your gas mileage significantly by doing the following:
1. Keep your tire pressure up. Fix leaks quickly. (10% or more)
2. Maintain a constant speed whenever possible. (5% or so)
3. Don't drive too fast. Your wind resistance at 50 MPH is less than half of what it is at 70 MPH. (20% or more)
New Cars in California Must Display Global Warming Score
MARXISM,SOCIALISM,COMMUNISM...ALL take another leap foreward.
Once again, the land of
Once again, the land of fruits and nuts earns it's derisive nickname.
green cars?
oh, so rate the cars for their greeness so the envirowackos can beat you up for choosing what you want?
Send the illegal aliens home, that will cut the population by 30% at least. then we will have enough gas, water, electricity and food to go around.
Useless Climate Scores posted on Automobiles
I'm beginning to think I live in the wrong state/ California legislators can't keep from over spending money they don't have; then keep begging for more taxes especially with 34 billion more dollars than they had last fisical year.
A climate score on automobiles? How much is the cost to print this? How much to adcertixe and impliment? etc??? What does it really do to prevent Global Warming??? Don't you think the money could be better spent on something useful??????
These boys think they smell big money in tax revenue from the, as of yet, unproven global warming scare tactics.
Look here Jed. Jimmy Csrter, 42 years ago or there abouts, put a lot of us on the Environmental Trail. It all fizzled. WHY?? It fizzled because it wasn't viable, it wasn't cost efficient and it opened the door to a lot of scammers. My Aunt and Uncle were ruined by these wonderful kind wise people.
Global Warming is a LIE!!!!
This whole thing about global warming is a farce to begin with.Have any of you people noticed that the scientists who come up with all of there theories have changed their predictions on the effects of global warming so many times its not even funny.I mean come on, Baghbad has had snow for the first time in 100 years this past winter.Earth naturally heats up every 200 years by a few degrees.Its a cycle and we are at that time that the cycle occurs.You have to be a completely stuck up dork to think that you can control the global climate when you cant even control a tornado.Earth will take care of itself.If it gets to hot there will be more moisture in the air which will cool the planet.If its to cold the air will become drier and warm the planet.So instead of focusing on some BS that thousands of scientists and meteorologists have denounced, lets focus on important matters like the price of oil and things like that.
Cure for California
I have three cures sure to fix all of the problems California is facing due to global warming. First, ALL manufacturers should refuse to sell ANYTHING in CA. Next, California should ban EVERYTHING. And finally, for the first person to find a way to cause an earthquake that makes the whole state slide into the Pacific, I will pay a reward of one dollar US.
Soon the stickers will be everywhere
Soon theyll place stickers on gallons of milk showing how much pollution the cow that produced your milk put in the atmosphore. Bottles of water will show a number because they are made of plastic and when your kids are born they put a number on the birth certificate showing you how much of an impact that kid will have on the planet for breathing and using up resources that the polar bears should have.
California Car Stickers
Why to go California...here we are competing for a strong economy and you add just one more thing to the manufacturers list. What's next? I can tell you it’s some lawyer filing a suit because the numbers on the sticker are not correct according to some other fringe wacko group.
We just keep piling it on like there is no tomorrow. Wake up people the planet has been going through these warming and cooling cycles long before the first SUV came along.
One other question to consider is who owns the media...General Electric owns several large outlets. And gee who stands to profit from fanning the hysteria about global warming?
I think we all need to stop and think about who is making a killing off this so called crisis.
BULL CORN
This makes me sick! There isn't even any conclusive evidence that cars are what is causing climate change! There isn't even conclusive evidence on whether or not the earth is actually going through any sort of climate change. My God do you people really want to let the government and these "green" company's put more TAXES on us?
They got you all feeling guilty. Your killing the world now pay for your sin by lining our pockets, while we do nothing to change our own lifestyle. THATS YOU AL GORE. This makes me sick and if you think its a good idea YOU make me sick!
Gimme a break
"I have always wondered why people believe everything the their doctor tells them but not the scientists who actually study the problems?"
Ah, because when it comes to the climate, these same scientists can't predict the weather a week from now let alone 20 years.
My doctor can tell me within a reasonable degree of certainty what's wrong with me. Predicting the weather is much much more complicated.
I think a lot of you are giving "science" a little TOO much credit. We're just not that good yet.
Auto labeling
Everytime there is a vehicle related story, some genius will scream that we need additional weight taxes.
Here is a clue; a motorhome driven 1,000 miles a year does less damage than a Toyota driven 12,000.
There is already a tax on heavier, less fuel efficent vehicles. It is paid everytime a gallon of gas is sold.
And I seriously doubt that a 4 or 5 thousand pound vehicle causs much wear at all;your tires are wearing, not the road.
tax on larger cars
Hey, c'mon people. Let's think about this logically. "Let's put a tax on bigger/heavier/less economic cars." Are you serious? Bigger, heavier cars burn more fuel. This constitutes a penalty for driving a less fuel-effecient car. If my SUV only makes 15 miles to the gallon, then I have to fill it up twice as often as your little 30mpg car. thus, I am ALREADY paying a "penalty" for my choice of vehicles. C'mon people. Think for once. I mean really think for yourself. Come up with an original thought, weigh the options, consider all the information, and make a decision. ALL BY YOURSELF! Don't just by the BS hook, line, and sinker.
Meh - who cares
As someone who buys new vehicles about every two years, I pay no attention to the stupid stickers anyway. My homework is done on a potential purchase long before even setting foot on a dealership lot. That said, I'll buy and drive whatever in the he-ll I want to, irregardless what the Global Walarmist left wing liberal eco-Nazis tell me I shouldn't. They're not going to run my life for their new-found religion (finally the left has a religion and faith!) of junk science man-made global warming. Not now, not ever.
Mo Horsepower Baby!!!
Nice, The next car I buy... It will be a 1. :)
"Beware the leader who bangs
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader, and gladly so." - (Often attributed to Shakespeare, though no proof exists)
The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. - H.L. Mencken
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken
"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us your slaves, but feed us.'" - Dosteovsky's 'Grand Inquisitor'
History says it best people. Listen Up!
Cool! I will simply say to the salesman, "Take me to No. 1, plea
And the salesperson will gladly say, "Here it is! Only $300,000 and it's yours!," pointing to the New 2009 Honda Clarity...........,"Will that be cash or charge?" On a scale of 1 to 10 measuring biggest idiots in America.......I would give you an 11. Scores and ratings measuring indetectable emissions, affecting an unproven "global warming", sounds like socialism and marxism to me. You can keep your frickin sticker and the fees and the red tape associated with it and shove it up your ass, Mr. Government! The good people of the United States are sick and tired of the million ways to package another tax, tariff, fee, or rule that results in a fine. This is govenrment run amuck. California might as well be another planet with the kind of shit the lawmakers there dream up. It's like Haight-Ashbury all over again. I'm sorry Californians.